Friday, September 24, 2004

週五短評 (政治評論/怪論)

理據何在?

泛民主派的理念矛盾持續。那個在功能組別小圈子選舉勝出的張議員,
強烈反對政府削綜援,又號召示威抗議又說要阻止通過了的法案執行
甚麼的。立會通過了的法例,早就塵埃落定,張議員不服氣,大可在
新一屆立法會再起風雲;可反對政府執行,理據何在?愛心爆棚的張
議員和社工們真的怕弱勢社群受苦,大可奉獻自己的薪水去扶貧,但
就請萬不要學老共或老董政府般,對任何不喜歡的法制話改就改。張
議員有時間的話,應該聽聽昨日梁大狀的電視訪問,學習一點法治精
神罷,不要再丟人現眼好嗎?

---
香江民主之父

好多朋友都講過,沒有老懵董及一眾幫閒鷹犬的無間相助,就無市民
大團結遊行上街。講白點,各階層理念不單不同,甚至可以說是對立。
你問問那些"中產專業人仕",有幾多人真心關注弱勢社群?(反之亦
然,網上有好多"窮人",就話炒賣樓股虧本或負資產者"抵死"。)所
以沒有老董,怎會有數十萬人遊行?沒有老董,就沒有全港階級大團
結 !:-)


26 comments:

收買佬 said...

係別的地方看到,轉載,講明先,並不一定代表本站立場呀:-

Trust is very important to an economy -- a lack of trust increases
transaction costs within an economy.

China is not a democracy, but in the past 10 years, we see investment
continues to pour into China. One of the reasons is that foreign capital
believe the CCP can do a proper job to steer China's economy and create
a stable business environment for growth. Some may argue many of the
businesses try to tap into China's endless pool of cheap labour. But if so,
why don't they invest more in India -- a democracy?

Back to Hong Kong, the problems with Hong Kong is that the people do
not trust the government and hoping a democratic systems will enable
them to elect a government they can trust. This thinking is fair enough.

However, suddenly having a "full democracy" is a big gamble. This is
because even if we have the hardware (a democratic system), we may
not necessarily have the software (good politicans). This is why a gradual
transition is important.

Looking back in history, there was a civil war in England after the mon-
arch (can't remember which one) introduce constitution monarchy, there
was a civil; America have a civil war after it declares its independence to
become the first democratic country in "modern time"; France experience
Region of Terror, Napolean after they overthrown Louis XVI. History tells
us a lot of immature democracy were hijacked by military general and
became dictatorship.

While I have no doubt about the benefits of democracy, I do however think
a sudden democracy brings too much uncertainty. And this uncertainty, is
exactly what make Hong Kong a more risky place to do business.

Investor, didn't you mention "control risks" at some point?

Anonymous said...

Johnny and Bloggers :

1. This argument can be found at local news columns from time to time , any comments ?

Our election system has shortcomings ( e.g., functional constituency , a relative unfair system , still exists ) , and also the so-called "問責局長" system can't generate a real governing party ( 執政黨 ), our hardware design can't generate good software ( politicians )

2. Can China generate the soil to emerge a multi-party political environment + a president directly elected from our people like Indonesia , Taiwan , India etc ?

Or just the present state - power struggle between different forces within one single Communist Party as a form of self-monitoring - exists forever ?

Anonymous said...

身為草根一族, 支持張超雄說法!

Stannum said...

剛看到思存和Gen兩篇在思存站的留言,可以直接反駁上面引用的英文。
http://www.seechuen.com/guestbook.php

Anonymous said...

To草根一族,學習一點法治精神罷,不要再丟人現眼好嗎?

Holiday said...

如果可以減公務員的薪金,再用去加綜援,我是絕對贊成!

eason said...

而家政府咁窮,真係乜都做得出,不過我諗佢唔止會減公務員人工咁簡單(減得一次,就可以減第二次),不過乜都係因為個窮字,所以要加番綜緩,我諗真係幾難.

Anonymous said...

張超雄呢種大鑊飯主義者, 將一己之理想當做眾人真理., 一味鼓吹免費午餐, 仲要營養豐富至肯食.
佢對弱勢社群咁大慈大悲, 不如宣佈將自己份議員薪津攞八成出嚟濟貧
唔好成日口糠糠要政府開倉派米, 自己就鋸扒嘆紅酒, 做唔到咁樣, 唔該佢去食蕉.
西方國家飽受福利主義折磨多年, 紛紛放棄免費午餐呢個無底深潭, 少少一個香港竟然要超英趕美. 福利開支無止境增長.

香港勞動人口得 330萬, 而納稅人口只得120萬, 社會開支重擔高度集中少部份人身上. 一個所謂中產, 除咗交薪俸稅, 生活上所有簡接稅亦主要集中呢班人身上, 買車要俾首次登記稅, 開車要交冠絕全球高昂汽油稅, 差餉, 地稅, 買賣股票物業印花稅, 諸如此類. 所謂弱勢社群受政客鼓吹, 事事有權無責, 仲要聲大夾惡.
今日一個所謂弱勢社群生活水平, 放在 60年代香港, 已經係小康水平. 60年代根本冇咩綜援, 香港卻從未有人餓死街頭.
一個七十幾歲死老坑返大陸娶老婆生個女, 佢傳宗接代就由納稅人幫佢養起成頭家.
卅幾歲人不務正業, fing 頭fing 到戇狗狗, 黐條女住埋生多件, 一家三口靠納稅人養佢過世, 咁嘅弱勢社群唔死冇能用.
所謂可憐之人必有其可恨之處.
一個人怕餓死就要博命去做工搵生活, 呢樣正係社會進步原動力. 畸型香港卻未富先驕, 鼓吹安全網烏托邦, 唔駛做有得食, 社會欠你無窮無盡嘅責任.
香港整體競爭能力已經如江河日下, 社會福利包袱重量卻步步高昇. 呢個計時炸彈爆破之日, 指日可待.
到時樹倒猢猻散, 應咗阿松句說話 : 有咁風流就有咁耐折墮

矮肥鈍 said...

乜飛哥咁激動? ^^
話時話, 有d綜援仆街真係唔死都無用. 記得新聞賣過有條廿幾歲人粉每個月月頭就將d綜援拿入馬場fing, 電視直播佢係場邊炒蝦拆蟹係度嗌, 輸左媽媽聲個死樣真係想兜拳窩埋去, 佢[輸]個d錢咪又係大圍幫佢出! 有手有腳唔去做野正仆街.

DoA said...

幫弱勢社群一定要幫,但有很多方法,派多些錢是不是唯一的方法呢?

有法不依,開了這種沒有規矩的先例,代價是不是值得?

其實依家民主派的作風是比共產黨更共產。大陸政府的政策就可以朝令夕改(其實依家都吾得啦),張議員應該返大陸。

收買佬兄:查實曾獻恥都係民主英雄,佢一開口講野就是為民主派拉票,市民見到曾獻恥之流可以高談寬論,唯有投票比長發。華叔選前私下跟記者戲言,話有曾獻恥多說話,可為民主派製造票源,好事呀。我係中央應請佢老人家收下口。

eason said...

我同意弱勢社群係要幫,但係真係應該分真D邊D人係應該幫,邊D人就唔能抵幫.

'幫弱勢社群一定要幫,但有很多方法,派多些錢是不是唯一的方法呢?'

呢個世界就係咁,你唔派錢,佢地又會覺得你係冇心幫佢,即係好似你係街邊見到個乞衣,你怕佢餓食,你買個飯俾佢食,但又唔俾錢佢,我諗分分鐘會俾佢小番轉頭都有之.查好多在街討吃既乞衣,都可以算得上係'職業乞丐',佢地為既係搵錢,根本你唔俾錢佢,佢都唔會餓死.就好似有部份靠綜緩既人,你唔俾錢佢,佢有手有腳,有幾何會真係餓死?日日睇咁多新聞,真係鮮有見到有人會餓食街頭喎!就係因為我地個政府想係呢一方面超英趕美,所以先至造就咁多職業綜緩蛀米蟲.你試下將D錢轉哂做飯盒,孩子的書簿,二手衫褲鞋襪.....,睇下到時重有冇咁多人去申請.

Anonymous said...

大幅削減公援係民意尼喎..... 你唔記得左通個議案係要你班尊貴的議員批???


批完又反又真係幾好玩喎. 香港原來咁好玩.

真係唔明, 點解未批果陣時d議員可以通過, 但係到要實行時就大力反對.

實情係:
大幅削減淙援在兩年前經濟低迷時已經由一大班議員決定左,當時那班综援人仕苦苦哀求, 政府才分兩階段延遲削減,政府現時削減的是兩年前的價錢, 換言之, 那班综援人仕其實已經著數了兩年, 現在走來反口 ? 狗唔狗D呀 !!!

我想問經立法會通過的議案代唔代表立法局議員就一d責任都無呢???
當日唔反對係咪就係留返d彈藥, 好留待現在做政治show呢?
佢地受左我地d薪水而有今時今日咁o既服務態度你又話得唔得呢??
係唔係閙下政府就可以轉移視線令佢地呢班白支薪水辦事不力的議員無須付任何責任呢?

(nancy)

Anonymous said...

問心果句, 亂派福利唔係一個負責任的政府, 不守法的議員亦不佩做議員 !

收買佬 said...
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收買佬 said...

各位老友記:

我想的,正是你們所說的。正,無咩好補充!

又,其實我都係弱勢社群。:-)

--- 收買佬

Anonymous said...

我要福利!!

還要增加綜援金, 最少要$8000大元才夠我行街睇戲.
增加生果金,減公屋租金.

要設最底工資, 我每月最少$10000大元才夠我享受.

Anonymous said...

本人絕對讚成政府減綜援.原因只有一個,減綜授已成法例,香港是法治之都,我們都必須跟從,如果係人多上街便可以改變法律,咁我就發動20萬人上街讚成二奶合法化

但本人是十分同情這批老弱傷殘,應在減綜援後重新改變綜援受益人,將現時改為
(1)增加老弱傷殘的綜援
(2)減少非(1)類而在港居住滿7年人士的綜援,以增加他們重新投入社會工作的動力
(3)取消所有未滿7年人士的綜援,如他們沒有能力在港生活,請返回老家生活.

(timchan03@yahoo.com.hk)

Anonymous said...

至今政府及受收綜緩者都沒法拿出數字究竟綜緩者一個月能拿多少錢.港大的教授周永新只是盲目亂叫一通毫無文化.香港地連文化中人都淪落到這地步, 唉!

Anonymous said...

>要設最底工資, 我每月最少$10000大元才夠我享受.

呢位網友,你理性小小得唔得??


--- 收買佬(插人要有point,知無?)

tim said...

收買佬兄:
呢位網友係講緊反話。

收買佬 said...

Tim哥:我都知,所以咪叫佢控制一下咯。正正經經討論,講乜鬼反話
0丫!(又唔係好笑。)

--- 收買佬

tim said...

收買哥:
其實你講野都有時正經有時唔正經啦。

Anonymous said...

>其實你講野都有時正經有時唔正經啦。

哈,又係堝!不過無計,呢樹不嬲都係0甘大細超兼無定向風,
唔係都唔會既擁長毛,但又打倒張超雄啦。:)


--- 收買佬 (aka 楊左使)

Anonymous said...

【本報訊】政府去年開始削減綜援,竟引發一宗家庭慘劇...譚樹堅與妻子於八二年在內地結婚,案發時與三名子女,一家五口同住香港仔華貴 華愛樓一單位,案發時一家人每月領取一萬一千多元綜援.

領取綜援,交租唔駛錢,睇醫生唔駛錢,小孩有書簿津貼,一家五口有一萬一千,好過去打工,好過香港一半基層家庭--人心不足,比夠你20萬綜援此事亦有可能發生 !

這些死老頭一把年紀仲要娶妻,你錢無問題,最慘仲要生一大堆,人多拿綜援會多一點。這些人害死香港的福利制度。我朋友一家三口做分保安只得8000元,一日12個小時,你話公吾公平,我老豆數十年前來港,一家數口個陣時都冇綜援,還是這樣過

Anonymous said...

今次好多議員都左閃右避唔講呢次削綜援問題。支持削綜援的,會被人話佢無人性。但反對的又欠理據。 所以政府仍然可以繼續削綜援。這也是政府今次有能力做既事。市民唔係次次都反政府,當合理時,同樣會同意政府意見. 政客也是為選票,叫佢地秤下--- 支持削綜援(得失領綜援者、一些組織),反對削綜援(得失中產、納稅人、冇領綜援的打工仔)

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